Hangar49

Hangar49

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Jim Leighty, Al Gilson, and Tony Roberts talk about different airstrips to visit, the ups and downs of flying in the Pacific Northwest, and all the fun events you can find here! We also like to discuss aviation music, movies, books, and websites. Basically we are just a bunch of fun loving pilots that have a passion for aviation just like you!

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70 episodes

We can't understand a word he's saying!

Sometimes it’s hard to understand what people are saying.  Sometimes it’s a foreign accent, sometimes it’s a fast-talking approach controller in busy Bravo airspace, possibly a mega rock and roll star, or maybe babbling podcast hosts.  Listen to this show and you decide. Movie:  Dawn Patrol (1938) Book: Into The Silk by Ian MacKersey Interview: TED Talk-Ryah Whalen: Three ways to make flying more climate friendly Website:  Project Blue Book https://www.archives.gov/research/military/air-force/ufos Song: Flight 505/The Rolling Stones Destination/Places to Fly To: National Naval Aviation Museum-Pensacola, Florida https://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/ Comedy/Sound:  Ismo/Flying Through Time

1h 17m
Feb 24
Magic In The Air

All pilots know what keeps an airplane in the air: Magic! OK...money is an important component.  In this show, we take a desperate journey, help you build an airplane for very little money, introduce you to some sorcery, invite you to a museum that you can't visit, see some great aviation photography, and learn what bored pilots do behind that closed cockpit door. Movie: Desperate Journey (1942) Book: Advanced paper Airplanes for Kids and Adults by Andrew Thorne Interview:  Derek Schmidt-Lightspeed Aviation Headsets Website: International Society of Aviation Photography https://aviationphoto.org/%20 Song:  Flying Sorcery/Al Stewart (Suggested by Tony Simpson in Ireland) Destination/Places to Fly To:  US Air Force Flight Test Museum Edwards Air Force Base, CA https://flighttestmuseum.org/ Comedy/Sound:  Monty Python-Bored Pilots

1h 31m
Jan 28
Jingle All The Way

It’s our annual holiday episode, so gather ‘round the tree and take a listen.  Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, or whatever you celebrate. Movie:  Devotion (2022) Book: Wing Leader by Johnnie Johnson Interview:  Marci Veronie/Avemco http://www.avemco.com Website: The Last Boeing 747-News Story and Boeing’s 747 Stats Song:  The Kinks/Supersonic Rocket Ship Destination/Places to Fly To:  Bradbury Science Museum-Los Alamos, New Mexico Comedy/Sound:  Benny Hill/Scuttle Airlines Special Holiday Bonus Song: Royal Guardsmen/Snoopy's Christmas  

1h 38m
Dec 16, 2022
Better Late Than Never, (or is It)

Better late than never, right? We didn’t hit the numbers, but at least we were able to turn off the runway before the end of November.  So, you get to decide, was this show worth waiting for, or is it just another bomb? Let us know at: h49flying@gmail.com or tell everybody by commenting on our Facebook posts.   Movie:  Fighter Squadron (1948) Book: Wager with the Wind/The Don Sheldon Story by James Greiner Interview:  Dave Hubner-SiriousXM Aviation Services Website: ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) https://www.icao.int/ Song: The Byrds/Eight Miles High https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxyOhFBoxSY Destination/Places to Fly To:  The Aviator Casino/Delano, CA Comedy/Sound:  MadTV/Flight Attendents with Susan Sarandon  

1h 24m
Dec 01, 2022
Help Wanted!

Help Wanted!  Hangar 49 has been plagued by technical issues such as lost recordings, bad microphone quality, editing delays, and bad jokes.  We blame our production staff for everything.  So, we are looking for help.  We need a production team member who is an experienced and qualified audio engineer, network administrator, editor, news director, web designer, script writer, comedy writer, commercial pilot, CFII, and janitor who can work under pressure in a fast-paced environment while being supervised by crazy micro-managers.  There is no salary, no insurance, no sick days, and no paid vacation.  If this sounds like your dream job, please send us your resume. Oh, and listen to our latest episode: Movie:  The Skydivers (1963) Book: First Light by Geoffrey Wellum Interview:  James Polivka/Cubcrafters https://cubcrafters.com/%20 Website: FlightRadar24 Song: The Kinks/(Wish I could Fly Like) Superman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ql_m-4jdZE Destination/Places to Fly To:  Barra Airport/Scotland Comedy/Sound:  Mad TV/Prohibited Items at The Airport

1h 21m
Oct 13, 2022
Please Stand By

Yikes! Technical problems, internet crashes, infestations, and you name it-this show has it.  Tune in and find out why.  Plus, the usual drivel and Jim rejoins us.  Why? We still aren’t sure.   Movie: Angels One Five (1952) Book:  The first Fighter Pilot by Ed Cobleigh (about Roland Garros) Interview: Sully Sullenberger Website:  Sierra Hotel Aeronautics-Aviation Humor page Song: I Wish I Could Fly/Roxette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIXxvYopIl Destination: AOPA’s The Hangout/KSFF Sound/Comedy: MAD TV-Funny Low Cost Airlines

1h 27m
Sep 09, 2022
"The Best of Everything!"

Wow! Over 12 years in the making!  There’s 149 episodes of these guys working up to this very day.  Through trials and tribulations, this team has worked tirelessly to produce the most entertaining aviation podcast in the world.  So, here it is.  The Best of Everything.  And….please welcome our special guest host, Hangar 49 founder, Jim Leighty So: Sit down.  Shut up. And hold on. TOP 10 MOVIES: #10: Pushing Tin #9: Fail Safe #8: The High and the Mighty #7: Planes-Fire and Rescue #6: The Dam Busters #5: Memphis Belle #4: The Blue Max #3: One Six Right #2: Airplane #1: Top Gun & Top Gun TOP DESTINATION/PLACES TO FLY OR DRIVE TO:  Oshkosh TOP 10 BOOKS:   #10: Tales of An Old Bold Pilot Who Lived To Tell His Story Of Flying The North by Jack McCallum #9: Airframe by Michael Chrichton #8: Flying Tigress by Norah O’Neill #7: Forever Flying by Bob Hoover #6: Straight On Till Morning: The Life Of Beryl Markham by Mary S. Lovell #5: 99 Ways to Make a Flight Attendant Fly--Off the Handle!: A Guide for the Novice or Oblivious Air Traveler by Joann Deveny #4:  Naked in Da Nang: A Forward Air Controller in Vietnam by Mike Jackson #3: The Wild Blue-Men & Boys Who Flew The B-24's Over Germany by Stephen Ambrose #2: Flight-The 100 Greatest Airplanes by Mark Phelps #1: Stick and Rudder by Wolfgang Langewiesche BEST ALL TIME INTERVIEW:  John & Martha King BEST AVIATION WEBSITE/APP:  Foreflight BEST COMEDY/SOUND:  Louis CK/Flying TOP 10 SONGS:  #10: Stephen Still/Tree Top Flyer #9: Jefferson Airplane/Planes #8: Chilliwack/Fly At Night #7: Fifth Dimension/Up, Up, and Away #6: Frank Sinatra/Come Fly With Me #5: Arlo Guthrie/Coming Into Los Angeles #4: Elton John/Rocket Man #3: Kenny Loggins/Danger Zone #2: Mary Chapin Carpenter/Why Walk When You Can Fly #1: Michael Jackson/Fly Away  

2h 14m
Jul 27, 2022
Can Penguins Really Fly?

So….can Penguins Really fly?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Aeronautical engineers want to know.  We know turkeys can fly…we have the video.  Oh, check out out song, movie, and book and listen to this show for all the answers. Movie:  Lancaster Skies (2019) Book:  Warbirds in the Cloak of Darkness Interview:  Shane Woodson-Uavionix https://uavionix.com/ Website or App:  Airmate EFB Song:  Nice Little Penguins/Flying Destination/Places to Fly To: Great War flying Museum Comedy/Sound:  Saturday Night Live/Aer Lingus

1h 13m
Jun 17, 2022
"Maybe That'll Buff Out!"

Every airplane owner has had a little “hangar rash” but one of our news stories in this month’s show highlights an extreme example.  Plus, we have the usual movie, song, comedy and more for you to enjoy! Movie: Island In The Sky (1953) Book:  Flight-The 100 Worlds Greatest Aircraft by Mark Phelps Interview:  Jamie Smith/Ameriflight https://w3.ameriflight.com/ Website: Vatsim-The world’s Virtual Air Traffic Simulation network https://www.vatsim.net/ Song: The Motors/Airport Destination/Places to Fly To:  The Bahamas Comedy/Sound:  Ricky Gervais-What He Hates About flying

1h 9m
Jun 01, 2022
Steamy Movie & a Graphic Novel

It’s our latest episode:  “Steamy Movie and a Graphic Novel!”  We understand marketing…and how to build a big audience with a catchy title.  See, we already got you to read this far.  Give a listen and find out what we are really talking about.  (Oh…by the end of this show, we’ll still be rated PG (Pretty Good.) Movie: The Carpetbaggers (1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozCKbVUpLYg Book:  Hero’s of Flight by Dan Green Interview:  Mark Baker/AOPA https://www.aopa.org/ Website: Oleg Antonov State Aviation Museum-Kviv, Ukraine https://aviamuseum.com.ua/en Song: Walter Murphy Band-Flight ‘76 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Ms5R6DvJc Destination/Places to Fly To:  Bella Coola, BC Comedy/Sound: If Cops Talked Like Pilots

1h 26m
Apr 18, 2022
Now Beginning Our 12th Season!

  It’s been a long hard road…er…runway, but Hangar 49 is now entering our 12th season on the air…er…internet.  Crank up the hi-fi and listen to this episode with a movie, book, song, interview, and comedy. Movie:  The McConnell Story (1955) Book:   Wings of Gold/The Story of the First Women Naval Aviators by Beverly Weintraub Interview: Peter Zaccagnino-Part 3 http://www.pcaviators.com Website:  Flying to Mexico Song: Up and Flying/Reba McIntire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDZVrQ0x9I Destination/Places to Fly To:  Abbotsford International Air Show Comedy/Sound:  Saturday Night Live-Jet Blue Flight 292

1h 35m
Mar 20, 2022
Help Us Buy the Martin Mars!

Like all pilots, we dream about our next airplane. So, when a great deal opens up, we can’t wait to get going.  But, like most dreaming pilots…we’re a bit short on cash.  Here’s your chance to help us out.  We think we need a GoFundMe or Venmo money-raising campaign!  We’re sure all our loyal listeners would be happy to help us step into a great airplane.  Stay tuned for donation details! Martin Mars for sale-Isn’t she a beauty? Movie: Thunderbirds-Soldiers of the Air (1943) Destination: Castle Air Museum https://www.castleairmuseum.org/ Interview: Peter Zaccagnino-Part Two-Air Racing https://www.pcaviators.com/%20 Book: The Vietnam Air War-From the Cockpit by Dennis Ridnouer Song:  Airline Agent/James McMurtry Website: Boldmethod Comedy: Saturday Night Live-Flight Announcements

1h 28m
Mar 01, 2022
Around The World With Hangar 49

Our special guest on this show has even been around the world.  So has Tony.  Our movie for this episode is Around The World In 80 Days.  Sometimes we talk to much.  In fact, in the time it takes to listen to this show, the International Space Station will travel around the world. Movie:  Around the World in 80 Days (1956) Website: The Honourable Company of Air Pilots https://www.airpilots.org/ Interview:  Peter Zaccagnino https://www.pcaviators.com/ (Part One-How he started) Book: Relevant by Peter Zaccagnino Song:  Gotta Get the First Plane Home/The Kinks Destination/Places to Fly To: Museum of Cosmonautics/Moscow, Russia Comedy/Sound:  Steve Hofstetter/Stupid people Won’t Survive a Plane Crash

2h 5m
Jan 14, 2022
Learn To Fly a Light Aeroplane In One Easy Lesson!

It's finally here! A quick and easy way to learn how to fly in one easy lesson...just listen to this show.  Oh, and before we forget: Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate and happy new year. (Oh...by the way this is show #142, but it's our 143rd episode.  Last months show was #143 but it was our 142nd episode.  Hopefully, you're just as confused as we are.) Movie:  Air Force (1943) Interview:  Gracie Johnson/TallyHo! Apps http://www.tallyho.aero Book:  Buffalo Air by Darrel Knight Website:  Hawker Typhoon  Song:  Alan Parsons Project - Blue Blue Sky #1 Destination/Places to Fly To:  Carolinas Aviation Museum/Charlotte NC Comedy/Sound:  Fry and Laurie-How to Fly A Light Aeroplane In One Easy lesson  

1h 34m
Dec 12, 2021
We're Number 13!

Aviation Podcasting is a competitive business! So, the entire staff and management of Hangar 49 is pleased to announce that we are listed as number 13 in the Top 45 Aviation Podcasts list.  Wow, after over 10 years of grueling efforts, we are finally recognized.  Oh, we won’t let it go to our heads.  Our November show proves it.  Please listen to our usual lineup of breaking news, classic films, great music, tantalizing books, outrageous comedy, all punctuated by our amazing commentary. Movie:  Fail Safe (1964) Interview:  Carinex Gautreau/Helidosa http://www.helidosa.com Book:  Tiger in the Sea by Eric Linder Website:  Eat at the Airport-From the Airplane Geeks Podcast people Song:  Too Late For Goodbye - Julian Lennon Destination/Places to Fly To:  Atlantic Air Adventures Comedy/Sound:  British Airways Safety Video Audition

1h 40m
Nov 25, 2021
Viva Las Vegas!

In this episode, Tony and Al give you all the inside tips on how to enjoy Las Vegas.  Al recently returned from the National Business Aviation show in Sin City with interviews and tips on staying in Vegas on a budget and getting started on your first million.  Oh….we talk about some aviation stuff as well. Movie:  Only Angels Have Wings (1939) Interview:  John Thivierge/Aircraft Performance Group (Seattle Avionics) http://www.flyapg.com Book:  Airborn by Kenneth Oppel Website: Aero News Net http://www.aero-news.net Song:  Ozzy!  Flying High Again Destination/Places to Fly To:  Queensland Aviation Museum Comedy/Sound:  Billy Connolly - Flight to Australia

1h 45m
Oct 31, 2021
It's Zero Hour!

We know that you can hardly wait until our next show.  Us too.  Well, here it is.  Mission Control is please to announce...It’s finally ZERO HOUR at Hangar 49! Movie:  Zero Hour (1957) Interview:  Juliet Siddons-Challenge Air https://www.challengeair.com/ Book:  Go Flight-The Unsung Heros of Mission Control by Rick Houston Website:  Real-Time Space Tracking—N2YO.com https://www.n2yo.com/%20 Song: Daddy, Teach Me to Fly/Ken Dravis https://www.n2yo.com/%20 Destination/Places to Fly To:  USS Midway Museum/San Diego Comedy/Sound: Flight Attendants/Saturday Night Live https://www.midway.org/

1h 33m
Sep 29, 2021
Please Support Your Flight Attendants (and Flight Deck Crews)!

We’ve seen the stories about nutty airline passengers going berserk when asked by the flight attendants to please put on their masks during the flight.  So, here’s the deal…please support your flight attendants and flight deck crews. Movie:  The Flight Attendant  Book:  I am a Flight Attendant by Jessica De Serre Boissonneauilt Interview:  Scariest Tomcat Flight/Cmdr Matt Plaiser USN (Ret.) Website: AirBus Zero Emission Electric Flight Song:  Moody Blues/Fly Me High Destination/Places to Fly To:   Tofino/Long Beach, BC Comedy/Sound:  Funny Flying Story -Cale Yarborough 

1h 35m
Aug 25, 2021
We Are On Fire!

We are on fire!  No…not the plane or the studio (yet) but it seems like the entire western USA and Canada are covered in wildfires and high heat.  Tony and Al are also blanketed in wildfire smoke.  We huddled inside the studio to get a break and record this show.  It’s our July show and we’re a bit late in the month.  Luckily we still have time to release this on July 32nd. Movie:  Boeing, Boeing Interview:  Nancy Bradshaw Book:  Flying on Instinct-Canada’s Bush Pilot Pioneers Websites:  Wildfire Location information in the United States and Canada Song:  Jason Aldean/Fly Over States Destination/Places to Fly To:   Pima Air & Space Museum Comedy/Sound:  Jimmy Stewart-Flying from Celery Field (now know as LAX)

1h 23m
Aug 01, 2021
Are We Flying Too Close To The Sun?

There’s been a heat wave in the US and Canada where we produce Hangar 49.  It’s kinda like flying too close to the sun.  Hopefully, the wax in our wings won’t melt.  We have news, a movie, classic, song, and some comedy.  Flip on some air conditioning or a simple fan and listen to this cool show.    Movie:  Soul Plane Interview:  Colonel Douglas Moore Book:  Flying Too Close to the Sun by George Jehn Song:  Boeing Boeing 707/Roger Miller   Destination/Places to Fly to:  Wright Museum Comedy/Sound:  George Carlin on Airport Announcements (Some obscene language)  

1h 34m
Jun 27, 2021
Don't Run Out of Fuel While Listening to this Show!

We know these shows are great...but can be a bit long! If you listen to us during your flight, please make sure to keep an eye on the fuel gauges.  We cannot be responsible for pilots who run out of gas (or Jet A) while listening. Movie: The Sound Barrier Interview:  Richard Branson Book:  Kittyhawk Down by Jonathan Nicholas Website: Windy.com https://www.windy.com Song: Steve Aoki, Laidback Luke& Lil Jon/Turbulence Destination/Places to Fly To: North Atlantic Aviation Museum Comedy/Sound:  Michael McIntyre

1h 38m
May 26, 2021
No Sleeping During This Show!

We know that sometimes it’s hard to stay awake during those long flights.  Hey, sometimes it’s hard to stay awake during a long episode of Hangar 49…especially for al and Tony.  So, here’s a reminder:  “No Sleeping During This Show!”  You might miss something good. Movie – Up In The Air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En0DYdjMVoY Interview - Christian Bailey Book – l’ll take the 18 by Scott Glute  Website -Airport Spotting Song - Zayn - Flight of the Stars Destination – TWA Hotel at JFK https://www.twahotel.com/ Comedy - Dave Allen Extra Stuff- Robb Report https://robbreport.com/  

1h 41m
Apr 18, 2021
You'll Get A Charge Out Of this show!

Whew! We got our March show uploaded without a minute to spare. Someday, we'll be able to get these shows done quicker by speeding up our commute with an electric air taxi.  We just need to find a charging station.  Learn how in our featured interview.  Plus, news, music, movies, and comedy in this jam-packed show.  As always, we have a few technical issues.  This time it's a bad auto-level on Al's voice.  It's OK.  He never has much to say anyway..... Interview:  Joshua Portman/Electric Aeroplanes will be here sooner than you think-TEDx Perth Book:  Flying Angels by Danielle Steel   Website: Opensky network-ADS/B tracking http://www.opensky-network.org Song:  Eric Bogle/Flying Away Destination/Places to Fly To:  Kelowna Aerospace Museum Comedy/Sound: Barely Air  

1h 30m
Apr 01, 2021
The #1 aviation podcast on Mars

We are pleased to announce that all the latest polls show that Hangar 49 is the number one aviation podcast on Mars.  All the cool NASA robots love this show.  Be like NASA robots. Movie:  Fly Away Home Interview:  Jimmy Stewart-Army Air Corps pilot Book:  Flight Girls by Noelle Salazar Bonus Movie:  The Wind Rises Website: The Flyer https://www.flyer.co.uk Song: Turbulence by Bowling for Soup Destination/Places to Fly To: de Havilland Aircraft Museum, St. Albans, Hertfordshire, UK Comedy/Sound: Southwest Airlines Flight Attendant  

1h 46m
Feb 24, 2021
Yes, We Take Requests

Since this show was founded by ex-disc jockeys, we love our listeners.  And since one of our hosts was once a struggling musician, we know that getting a free plug on the radio for your song (or movie) can make a big difference.  So, we take requests.  This month, our song suggestion came from John F. and our movie idea came from Marty D.  Notice that we didn’t use their last names.  There may be a reason for that.  You’ll just have to listen to the show. Movie:  Horizon Line Interview:  Country star and pilot Dierks Bentley at NBAA 2020 Book:  A Chick In The Cockpit by Erika Armstrong Bonus Book:  By the Seat of My Pants by Chris John Rosslee Website:  General Aviation News Song:  Arthur Godfrey/Teterboro Tower Destination/Places to Fly To:  Death Valley Airports Sound:  David Gunson/Air Traffic Controller (from 2011)

1h 25m
Jan 17, 2021
Ya got Any Beeman's?

As we sat down in the Hangar 49 studios to record this show on December 8, 2020 word that general Chuck Yeager had passed away had just been announced.  We re-vamped our show to feature his book and an interview.  We also reached back about 100 shows and dusted off our review of the film, “The Right Stuff.” And, as the General would say, “Ya, got any Beeman’s, “ his favorite chewing gum. (Oh, apologies in advance: Al had some issues with his microphone so there might be a few audio glitch’s.  As Chuck Yeager would say, “Al…ya gotta know your systems!”) Movie:  The Right Stuff Interview:  Chuck Yeager on Breaking the sound barrier. Book:  Yeager-An Autobiography Website:  Feedspot Pilot Blogs Song:  Ken Dravis/Ain’t It Funny http://kendravis.com/ Destination/Places to Fly To:  Places to fly with nearby snow skiing. Sound: Brent Pella: Why you shouldn’t fly on Spirit Airlines

1h 30m
Dec 09, 2020
We Are Not Bots!

With all the fakery on the internet, robocalls to your telephone, and screaming pundits on your TV, it’s nice to find a place where real, honest, and truthful aviation information and humor abounds.  OK, maybe everything on this show is not totally true, we might make up a factoid or two, make an error, or even (gasp) screw up big-time.  But one thing is for sure…”We Are Not Bots!” Movie:  Sky Fighters Interview:  World War 2 German pilots Book:  The Road to Station X Website: Air Facts Journal http://www.airfactsjournal.com Song: Airplane/Plain White T’s Destination/Places to Fly To: Nellis Air Force Base/Thunderbird Museum, Las Vegas Sound/Comedy: Kim Waldauer-Worst Passenger on the plane

1h 29m
Nov 08, 2020
Catch Us If You Can!

We are a couple of busy guys.  Between Tony's work as an award-winning photographer and Al's career as a voiceover artist, we barely have time for lunch, much less flying around and doing podcasts, but here we are again.  If you listen to our podcast, but don't have time to catch this whole show, do yourself a favor (favour?) and listen to our special guest, Frank Abagnale. His talk comes at about 40 minutes into this episode. Happy flying! Movie: Catch me If You Can Interview:  Frank Abagnale-Catch Me If You Can Book:  The flight-Charles Lindberg’s Daring and Immortal Transatlantic Crossing by Dan Hampton Website: Simple flying Song: Flying Crow Blues/Washboard Sam Destination/Places to Fly To: Gisborne Airport, New Zealand Sound: KPHL ATIS-Tropical Storm Isaias

1h 36m
Sep 28, 2020
We've Got Free Stuff For You

We don’t make you pay to listen to our show. (We have heard rumors that some of you think we should pay you to listen, but let’s not get off topic.) So, in this show, we give you free stuff and free money, (sort of).  You’ll have to listen to get the details.  Oh. Yes, this is our July show. Yes, we know it’s already August. Good, cheap, free help is hard to find. Movie:  Command Decision (1948) Book:  1001 Aviation Facts by Mike Machat Interview: Randy Lervold-Glasair https://glasairaviation.com/ Website:  FAA-Aviation Handbooks and Manuals Song:  Mark Elliot/Stars In Their Eyes Destination:  Rohn Roadhouse & Video Sound/Comedy:  Ron White Lightspeed Mountain Flying EBook Women In Aviation Scholarships https://www.wai.org/education/scholarships

1h 27m
Aug 07, 2020
We're Just Taking Up Bandwidth

With all the excitement over the Covid 19 virus, economic issues, and travel bans, we haven’t been taking airplanes up anywhere. In reality, we’ve just been taking up excess internet bandwidth with this show.  There’s no better way to spend time relaxing at home than listening to this latest episode of Hangar 49. Movie:  Dive Bomber (1941) Book:  CFI.  The Book by Alex Stone Interview:   Den Reed-Wild Sky Aircraft Website:  Airport Webcams dot Ne https://airportwebcams.net/t Song:  Queensryche/Some People Fly Destination: Hangar Hotel Sound/comedy: SNL Airline Pilots

1h 16m
Jun 14, 2020